Sometimes you’ve got to call the baby ugly.
If things were not rapidly approaching a critical mass – this would not be needed. Alas they are, and it is, and emotional obfuscations and insufferable detachments from reality need to be confronted:
Nettles: In reading Robert Zimmerman’s book yesterday, I opined the characterization of Mr. O’Mara as a control freak was going to set off Diwataman and Sundance. Not sure if that is why the post today but it’s highly likely.
*yes, Correct. THAT, and desperate plea(s) for immediate help – were the reasons for sharing the reality that is the O’Mara nightmare…./SD
Sundance is close-minded on the subject. He shut down my voice on it and many others. So with each posting those who disagree will shut-up or get banned. He’s entitled to his opinion as each of us are as well. (link)
Pinecone (minpin) You guessed correctly Nettles. Yes, sundance has taken the O’mara said he was a control freak statement all the way in his latest trash piece.
Sundance, I think, early on believed that O’Mara wasn’t doing justice for GZ, or keeping his best interests at heart, if he didn’t take on the BGI agenda, which is not inclusive only within the borders of Fla.
*wrong. Go back and look. My “early on” concerns with O’Mara were about his legal incompetence – and later his lies – nothing to do with the BGI…./SD
It is nationwide, and with the current Obama admin. goes right to the top including Obama, and his atty. gen. Eric Holder, who proclaimed proudly that he is “looking out for his people,” meaning the black race. If anyone, anyone at all, for decades was capable of stopping the BGI and their race baiting, Sharpton and Jackson would have been stopped. Sharpton and Jackson have gotten it wrong in every case they have involved themselves in. Those Tawana Brawley accused of raping her were acquitted. The Duke LaCross players were declared innocent, after a malicious prosecution was underway, pushed and fueled by the race baiters. Those prosecuted in the Martin Lee Anderson case were acquitted of any crimes. And Mark O’Mara was supposed to swoop down like superman and take on the national race baiters, who are grooming Ben Crump as their successor as they are getting a little long in the tooth. Can’t have a break in the plantation cycle.
*no, it was just hoped he would not coddle or acquiesce to them. He was not expected to “take them on”, ever…../SD.
Mark O’Mara also was supposed to take on the MDSPD and the entire school district higher ups, with their agenda of Baker Acting young black males, in order to lower their criminal statistics, which no doubt brought in more federal dollars for their efforts at protecting those from the criminal justice system.
*No, it is merely noted that Mark O’Mara chooses not to inquire about the M-DSPD.
My comment about Krop School resource Officer Daryl Dunn, was about how Mark O’Mara deposed him for information – yet choose not to get the prior sworn affidavit made by Dunn as a basis for research prior to the deposition.
Additionally, why wouldn’t O’Mara want to find out about the “baker act” aspect? These are choices. His choices…… /SD
Scott and Bondi couldn’t have been more supportive of the program, and gave speeches declaring that they wanted to see the oh so successful program repeated in all the school districts across the state. So O’Mra is not properly defending his client, and not looking out for GZ’s best interests because he again was not superman sweeping down on what sundance belives is the first and highest priority, according to the book of sundance.
I’ve said before that taking a closer look at what is happening with the Backer Acting program is a worthy goal, but it cannopt be O’Mara’s goal while trying to defend GZ from 25 years to life in prison.
*These issues are not mutually exclusive except in the mind of a person who is unwilling to admit the absence of researching this aspect is evidence of poor legal counsel……/SD
It is not even questionable that Nelson would allow the first word about the program into the GZ murder trial.
Yes, sundance grabbed the “control freak” language and ran all the way home with it in his article. It is a clear case of projection on the part of sundance. Sundance wanted O’Mara to run his defense of George the way sundance wanted him to, taking sundances priorities as the only worthy goals.
*Not even close. I’m merely pointing out fact-based (not opinion based) easily discoverable records which could assist George Zimmerman; And the refusal of Mark O’Mara to request them…../SD.
So, who iexactly is the “control freak”? You do what I tell you to do, and the way I tell you to do it, or you will get trashed as often as I can trash you. Again, who is the “control freak”? And those that disagree with the proclamations can take a hike and go post somewhere else, you are not needed nor wanted around the treehouse. You get pushed off that nice cozy limb you were welcomed to, before your blasphemous opinions. (link)
*No comment. I am well described. Horrible me. You’ve all been warned 😉
Cassandra – Pinecone gets it right on SD, he is projecting. SD admits this case is complicated yet fails to factor in how complicated when evaluating MOM choices and decisons. (link)
*Oh my, it’s so complicated to fire off a letter to M-DSPD and request public records? So complicated… so, so complicated…./SD
Nettles: I get the distinct impression that George keeps his father out of things. Does he do this because he doesn’t want his dad to stress due to his health problems? Does he do this because there is a difference of opinion between father and son? If I were to guess, both Roberts are Republican and George its been reported is a Democrat.
*Or have you even considered he does this because his attorney has told him to stay away from his family and the attorney, the ‘control freak’ actually set the boundaries for contact? Nah, couldn’t be this… I mean, no, wait… wha?…/SD
[…] “Why hasn’t the family been in court”? (link)
*Um, …. Ask the ‘control freak’ who needed part of his strategy to retain all parties at arms distance from each other in order to continue the stranglehold.
What are the primary tactics for controlling opposition? Hint “isolation”….
Who arranged housing, contact permissions (or lack thereof), feeding schedules, expense allowances, etc etc ? Or would the answer to that question shake your foundation?…../SD
Nettles – Sundance’s opinions have lost value for me.
Don’t know if the message reached the treehouse or not but the defense isn’t being afforded the time to turn over every stone left unturned by the state. Priorities have to be set. There is no question some things will go undone.
*ah yes, those pesky “priorities”, and everyone is getting a first hand lesson on exactly what Mark O’Mara’s priorities are. Wait,… no,…. wha… huh?
Those reading at the treehouse now have to know they are getting a skewed look. What most GZ supporters are thinking isn’t being voiced there anymore. (link)
Pinecone (minpin) […] Yes Nettles, the last thing O’Mara needs to waste his time on are what sundance has decided should be the priorities in taking on the entire BGI and the MDSPD. The defense was almost out of money completely, and they have been unfairly cheated out of the time they need to prepare a proper and complete defense for GZ, through the help of the unethical and corrupt judge who only has the state’s best interests at heart. God forbid the trial not be rammed through right now, before the defense uncovers and exposes even more criminal wrongdoing by the Corey prosecutors office. That is literally why Nelson stopped O’Mara and West mid-sentence in the sanctions hearing. (link)
Nettles – Since I’ve heard nothing, I guess the 2 DDs bombshell never materialized either. *shrugs* (link)
*couldn’t be that the material information is more prudent to wait – nah, because it has not been put on public display for the Scheme Team to coordinate their defense for – it must not exist. *Headdesk* D’oh…./SD
CCG – Same goes for the jewelry investigation. Unless I missed it, did the officer SD contacted ever return the jewelry to the rightful owner? Was there any follow up?
As far as MOM obtaining the FOIA documents, while it was an eye opener revealed by SD, we don’t know MOM wasn’t already investigating this through the schools records. MOM did depose several MDSPD officers and could have obtained the same information and maybe more from these depositions. (link)
*Yes, we do know MoM was not already investigating it. We do know that NO-ONE had or has requested the information. And again, we do know that Krop’s Daryl Dunn was deposed by O’Mara yet the defense never reviewed Dunn’s sworn affidavit prior to the deposition. These things are known, it only takes a few phone calls to identify who has requested this information previously…../SD
Art Tart – […] WHY would you assume or anyone else to know more than MOM or West about GZ’s defense UNLESS you are directly involved in the Defense? imo, if the Defense Team can use anything to defend GZ, they will, they employ a real investigator to assist them. (link)
*Indeed no-one should assume anything. “NO-ONE”. That’s why research is important. ps. No “real investigator” has been requested either. So what does that tell ya?…./SD
Art Tart – […] Rest assured MOM/West are on top of MDPSD & TM’s school records & suspensions. (link)
*????? Transference, projection, and worse yet, factually incorrect…../SD.
Pinecone (minpin) – […] The MDSPD Baker Act program has become sundance’s bloggy horse. It is what he is interested in, and apparently he believes everyone else should think the same.
*Um, no. It would just be nice to see the defense, actually do some defending. Period. No other motive. That.Is.All…../SD
Not many TH articles have been written lately that don’t keep pushing the issue.
*If it was not important, it would not be mentioned…./SD
If sundance is trying to make his break into the world of journalism, writing about the issues he is interested in, he doesn’t need to use the George Zimmerman trial to be his take off place to do so. Think about this for a minute. Way back closer to the time of the shooting incident, sundance was gaining new readers to his site by the tons every day. Since he has gone on his crusade against O’Mara, how many of those tons of original supporters are even still around at the TH. Go back and look at some of the earliest articles there. You will see names that no longer exist at the TH. Do not disagree, do not push any meme I don’t agree with, or you will find yourself swinging from that tree branch rather than sitting on it eating smores. (link)
Boricafudd – […] I saw the mentioning of the MD-SPD but SD makes a big assumption in that he feels they don’t have that information. When SD says why have there been no FOIA for the information from Miami, he forgets that MOM does not need a FOIA he can subpoena the records.
Regardless of which MOM has TM school records which would include any evaluations by counselors, if he was Baker Act, interactions by the School police. But, having that information does not mean that it will be admissible or relevant. (link)
*Admissibility, or relevance, are both appropriate considerations. However, for the umpteenth time – NO ONE FROM THE DEFENSE HAS LOOKED AT, sent a subpoena for, requested, inquired about, FOIA’d, or sent inquiry about Trayvon Martin’s encounters with “Crisis Intervention Teams” or anything to do with this M-DSPD aspect. They just haven’t. And they don’t need a subpoena to get public records – they can just ask for them (like we have). Period…../SD
CaptainLongSchlongsilver – Just my opinion but Sundance has become more of a liability to George Zimmerman and his defense than an asset and it has been like that for quite awhile now. (link)
*The truth not a liability for George Zimmerman himself. However, the truth is definitely a liability to those who call themselves “the defense” of George Zimmerman.
The latter of which would like nothing more than to proceed forward with their agenda in the same comfortable shadows they have lived their life in…… /SD