The Benghazi Slaughter was a mere symptom of the failed Libyan policy. Does anyone remember R2P? I had previously written: Beyond a wholesome discipline this is the biggest issue just sitting there and all our representatives totally ignore it.
- 1.) The nineteen days of Obama silence ? Nothing.
- 2.) The State Dept contracted/hired an evacuation ship in Tripoli – Broken down and no-way to evacuate our personell ? Nothing.
- 3.) In the height of Libyan *civil war* (battle) we could not get Americans out ? Nothing.
- 4.) We didn’t even know the ideology of “the rebels” – yet we armed them ? Nothing.
- 5.) Libyan Justice Minister Mustafa Abdel Jalil – known al-Qaeda operative ? Nothing.
- 6.) Susan Rice (as U.N. Ambassador) skips emergency U.N. Security council meeting ? Nothing.
- 7.) Libya’s WMD (known stockpiles of mustard gas) ? Nothing.
- 8.) 20,000 SAAM and Stinger Missiles disappear ? Nothing.
- 9.) Eventually Obama invokes use of War Powers Act – But after 30 days the law requires a congressional vote ? Nothing.
- 10) White House own OLC (Office of Legal Council) notifies him he is defying law ? Yet, again – Nothing.
- 11) Clinton and Sarkozy meetings to coordinate NATO attack ? Since when is State Dept in charge of DoD? Yet, Nothing.
Media discussed Obama/Rice/Powers/Clinton – Responsibility to Protect Doctrine – But who had responsibility to protect AMERICANS ?
The real Libyan controversy happened long before a compound in Benghazi was attacked.
……. “It’s almost as if Benghazi, as horrible as it was, is being used as a diversion from the reason the Benghazi disaster even occurred”….
Yes.
Carterzest engaged with progs in Portland Oregon. We all need to learn how to push back with accurate information to the lies and falsehoods of the progressives. So here’s some information. If you read all the links you will know more about Libya, how it started, what flaws were within the Obama Doctrine and how insufferable their pontifications are…… /Sundance
Carterzest writes:
I often use pieces of your wisdom in my fight against liberalism in the Peoples Republic of Portland. As they were all gushing over the NYT article, I slipped most of your post above into a FB thread. Here is their reply: “10 will get you 20 Nick didn’t read it & if he did he didn’t like what it had to say. Debunks what he wants to believe. Truth be damned! Right wing haters are going to hate no mater what the “truth” is.”
I refuse to respond to their ignorance and name calling. Woke up today to this: ( please note the first defense is the Candy Crowley bit of water carrying from the 3rd? presidential debate)….I could hardly read the rest.
“1. On Sept. 12, (yes Nick, that would be the DAY after the attack), President Obama said in the White House Rose Garden: “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. But there is absolutely no justification to this type of senseless violence.” He also made a general reference to terrorism: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.” So Nick, I’m not sure what your “19 days of silence” is referring to.
The “days of silence” is not around the Benghazi Attack – It is the silence which stemmed from no response from the Obama administration when the fighting broke out in Libya during February of 2011:
You’ll note the date of this 2/25/11 Obama avoidance is the exact date the U.N. Security council was meeting in emergency session (see below). The world was looking for the U.S. to lead – Obama was golfing and was not willing to take a position while Secretary Rice was in South Africa discussing Cow Farts.
2. I need a source for the State Department contracting an “evacuation ship in Tripoli” as I can’t find anything about this fact. I am also not certain it’s relevant as, given the circumstances, it’s unlikely our people could have gotten to a “ship” in the first place. What is the proximity of either the CIA annex or the diplomatic outpost to the port of Tripoli?
http://nation.foxnews.com/libya/2011/02/25/obama-charters-wrong-boat-botches-evacuation-americans-libya#ixzz1EzCER35H
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/oops-team-obama-leaves-americans-stranded-in-libya-military-on-standby/
http://nation.foxnews.com/libya/2011/02/25/obama-charters-wrong-boat-botches-evacuation-americans-libya#ixzz1EzCER35H
And what was President Obama Doing THAT DAY ?
3. Yes. During the “battle” we could not get Americans out. Pretty sure this happens during lots of battles but then, I’ve never been in battle.
The battle(s) were going on in Eastern Libya and heading west toward Tripoli when ONLY the U.S. was unable to get our people out. All other nations evacuated, EXCEPT US. Our State Dept and Administration were caught off guard. (See the 19 days of silence – DUH! )
4. “We didn’t know the ideology of the rebels yet we armed them?” A) You clearly didn’t read the article with an open mind. The entire situation is fraught with nuance, still is. Are you new to American wars? We do this all the time: Reagan in Central and South America, Bush in the Middle East, all the Presidents during the “War on Drugs” in South and Central America etc. We typically arm the side we think is least dangerous to our economic and political interests. Sen. McCain wants to arm a specific faction in Syria. Get it?
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2011/03/17/libyan-rebellion-has-radical-islamist-fervor-benghazi-link-islamic-militancyus-milit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/03/2011331161058970489.html
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52264.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-03-30/al-qaedas-libya-pilgrimage/?om_rid=NIi-Df&om_mid=_BNk3fzB8Z3-Ubc#
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-03-14/al-qaedas-libya-plans/
http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/31/jon-lee-anderson-libyan-opposition-has-under-1000-fighting-men/
5. Not really sure what your point is.
Of course you don’t. People don’t know who Mustafa Abdel Jalil is. He was the former Justice Minister for Gaddaffi and the first defector to the rebellion. He became the political leader of the “rebels” and the contact person for Hillary Clinton. Progressives generally don’t understand the issues they argue for so the response to #5 makes sense.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/03/2011310101413705407.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8844819/Libyas-liberation-interim-ruler-unveils-more-radical-than-expected-plans-for-Islamic-law.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
6. Maybe you should look up how many meetings Susan Rice did attend before you zero in on ONE she missed. Also find it super interesting you think the U.N Security Council would even be relevant. People like you usually despise all things related to the United Nations lol.
The missed U.N. meeting was not just *ANY* missed U.N. Meeting – It was the most important U.N. Security Council meeting determining what action the U.N would take when the Libyan civil war broke out. It was FROM THAT missed meeting that all horrific ill thought consequences came out:
7. As it is common knowledge that Libya has unweaponized mustard gas and that Libya has its mustard gas under the auspices and guard of the OPCW, this point is a bit over-the-top. A great deal of their (former) stockpile has been destroyed, dating back to 2011, and the new cache discovered was immediately reported. You can read more in both The Guardian and the Libya Herald.
http://www.asiantribune.com/news/2011/03/17/libyan-rebellion-has-radical-islamist-fervor-benghazi-link-islamic-militancyus-milit
http://www.debka.com/article/20773/
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=212003
8. Need a source for the 20,000 missiles that have gone missing as I haven’t heard of this.
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/07/exclusive-libyan-missiles-looted/?hpt=hp_t2
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/03/25/143013.html
9. Not sure of your point.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/world/africa/13powers.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/world/africa/18powers.html?_r=1
10. Agree 100% that his own legal team said that. When you write “again nothing” however, you lose me every time. What are you needing here? Perhaps I’m just missing everything, (which is completely possible.)
“Nothing” refers to no-one in Congress or the Fourth Estate holding Obama accountable.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/world/africa/18powers.html?_r=1
11. Well actually, from here…you just sort of lost your shit. But I will write this:
At least you care. And what scares me a lot more than you is that most American don’t give a crap at all about this or anything else. It’s that apathy that is a danger to our country in the end, not passionate people with conviction. I really believe that.
“Gross Leadership Failure At The State Dept”…. but hey Hillary’s all good.
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_US_LIBYA_ATTACKS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-12-18-21-20-30