I am having scandal overload. Was there this much of this stuff with Bush?
The answer is a resounding “No.” Her question reminds me that many of our younger (comparatively speaking) Treepers weren’t around during Eisenhower!, Nixon, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter and Reagan. (I could have started with Truman!).
With that in mind, I went back further with regard to ” how ugly things were and are” with some bit of comparison with those years and the national political sense of things.
When the public generally turned on Lyndon Johnson regarding the Vietnam war, he didn’t “get in their face” or threaten them: he announced that he would not be seeking a second term, and he did it fairly early in the primary season so that all of his buddies in the Dem party wouldn’t be furious with him. When the public turned on Nixon to the point that his impeachment was pending, unlike Clinton he didn’t get on national television and shake his finger in our faces; he resigned, rather than face the disgrace of the House of Representatives voting a Bill of Impeachment.
Both of those men had wives who would have slapped them silly if they had ever participated in open, public disrespect of our institutions, our traditions or our laws. Both of them were liars, and everybody knew that, but they didn’t lie to your face, then laugh in your face, and expect the newspapers to report that they had healed you of leprosy by spitting in your face.
Old Tree People, I don’t know how to address it in helpful ways, but
while we are worked up and know stuff (just because we were there) we’ve got a bunch of Young Tree People Patriots who don’t all know the stories or the facts or the spidey senses that were at work in the 1950s or the 1960s or the 1970s.
dizzymissl, please know for a fact that us older-than-dirt folks (I’m 69) have turned off the alphabets for many reasons, and this is one of them: when the water is 6′ feet high and rising, it’s time to stop gathering more information and start splicing old fire hose, to see if there will be enough to save our lives. We have never seen anything like this in our lives. Ever.
Read The Children’s Blizzard as an allegory for what’s happening to our nation. Contrasted to that “normal” winter weather that swept across the plains and killed all those children and those school teachers in 1888, the nation’s 2013 killing blizzard is deliberately aimed at us by a malevolent god who is taking the time to destroy the haystacks so that if any would be clever enough to hide, and thus live, they will find no haystack to keep them alive as they struggle to get home. (Of the children stumbling across the frozen prairies in the darkness, having been let out of their one room schools early “so they could hurry home before the storm” the “lucky ones” stumbled into haystacks in the pastures, burrowed into them, and some of those thus burrowed in lived until morning. In one case, the siblings buried furthest into the haystack survived; their brother who was “last in” and still exposed on his butt and legs, died in his place, providing the protection that saved them. You’ll want to break open a fresh box of kleenex when you start reading.)
And the whole time you’re reading it, weep for the United States of America, a formerly great republic, and wonder if you and I will find the haystack we need in which to survive until the morning comes.
It’s a distinctive characteristic with this bunch of national thugs that lawlessness is a feature — not a bug.
Lawlessness in broad daylight. With no consequences. No political consequences. No prison consequences. No career consequences. No financial consequences. No personal “shame” consequences.
Impeachment, conviction and other serious public consequences used to be the expected results of such malfeasance and were considered personally and politically unbearable, to be avoided by the sleaziest of men. Now, in the america they inhabit, lawlessness is the norm and consequences do not exist. They are both cannibals and vultures, feeding on the entrails of the nation they are destroying.
In the former Republic of the United States of America, people like these were usually imprisoned and, whether imprisoned or not, they were destroyed by the natural (at that time) public and legal consequences of what they had done.
In this america, they occupy the places of authority and rotted honor — darkness is no longer an essential part of their equipment. They work pretty effectively in broad daylight. They work until 3, go to dinner until 7, party until 1, sleep until 9 and then do it all over again.
Because the nation is in darkness, they no longer need the night hours for their work.

